Conversation with ourselves- an interview with Ron Coleman NZ Herald.

The following is an excellent interview conducted by Chris Barton in today Saturday 4th Junes Weekend Herald in New Zealand. Chris interviewed Ron Coleman here in Auckland and attended one of the workshops the Hearing Voices Network held there.

You can see the article on the New Zealand Heralds website here.

Here is the article below:

“You have voices telling you to kill yourself. Do you ask them why?”
No, they don’t listen.

“If I told you to go and stand in the middle of the road, you wouldn’t do it.”
No, if you told me to I wouldn’t.

“If I asked you to do it you would want a reason, but you don’t want a reason from the voices.”
Yes I do.

“Then ask them.”

This is not one’s idea of a normal conversation, but for the participants it makes perfect, potentially life-altering sense. Ron Coleman has just begun a workshop at Western Springs Community Hall on a radical self-help technique called voice dialogue.

In a five-minute conversation with a young woman he draws out, to her considerable surprise, an outline of her situation. She hears two negative middle-aged voices – one male, the other female. The male voice is worse.

She is also dealing with drug addiction, but that’s not the cause of her voices. They began when she was 10.

She has never asked what the male voice is called.

The woman is clearly astounded by Coleman’s revelation that she can ask her voices for information. “Nobody’s suggested that to you before,” he tells her, “because we are caught in the world of voices rather than having dialogue about it.”

Coleman, diagnosed with schizophrenia in 1982, should know. He spent 10 years in and out of British psychiatric hospitals, including six as a mostly compulsorily “sectioned” in-patient. During that time he was heavily medicated with a range of antipsychotic drugs and given 40 sessions of ECT.

Today he lives happily with his wife, family and seven voices. The workshop at the Western Springs Community Hall is part of a global grassroots organisation known as the Hearing Voices Network.

“What we try to do,” he tells the Herald, “is help people live with their voices.”

Born in Dundee, Scotland, Coleman turned his life around in 1991 when the Hearing Voices Network was just getting under way in Britain. He’s since gone on to become a key figure in the network and travels the world spreading its message and governing principle: “It doesn’t matter whether we conclude our voices are coming from ourselves or whether they are the voice of God or the voice of demons. We accept the diversity of everybody’s experience,” he tells another voice hearer.

“Do you hear a lot of voices?”
I hear angels.

“Are they all positive?”
Yes but sometimes my voices worry me because I worry about whether I’m saying it or whether the angels are saying it.

“So what is the purpose of angels?”
To guide me.

“So how do you test what they are saying is from the angels themselves?”
I say, ‘Is that the angels there?’

“And they say yes?”
Yes. But sometimes I don’t hear at all. I get scared because of some of the things I hear. I get scared because I don’t know if the devil can lie to me.

Coleman points out that that the devil was an angel – “an archangel and he was tossed out of heaven”. A good test as to whether an angel was talking, he suggests, would be if it asked her to do something to harm herself or anybody else. If it did, he says, that would be inconsistent with angels.

“See, I’m not going to change your mind whether there are angels or not. The only thing I’m interested in is whether it’s good for you. That it works for you.”

The network believes that auditory hallucinations or “voice hearing” shouldn’t be seen as something pathological that needs to be stopped, but rather as something meaningful and tied to the hearer’s life story. This tends to be at loggerheads with conventional psychiatry. Support groups around the world run by voice hearers for voice hearers openly challenge the standard psychiatric relationship of expert physician and psychotic patient, but increasingly some psychiatrists and other mental health professionals are seeing merit and logic in the Network’s approach.

Coleman says his recovery began when, at his first Hearing Voices group, someone told him his voices were real. “What I’d been told in the psychiatric system was that they weren’t real, they weren’t really there. That I had to ignore them and I couldn’t get involved with them. When they’re real it means you can do something about them.”

Hearing voices is like reading a really good book when you can hear the author’s characters. “As you read you can create the characters in your head. Imagine that externalised. That’s how it is with voices. You actually hear them.

“They have different characteristics. They speak with different accents. They are male or female. They are positive and negative.”

Hearing voices isn’t as unusual as we think. Many will have experienced it in the threshold consciousness between waking and falling asleep. There are also numerous examples of well-known and accomplished voice hearers throughout history.

“The Bible is written by voice hearers,” says Coleman. Think Moses and the burning bush and Jesus wandering for 40 days and 40 nights, hearing the devil’s temptations.

The roll call of other voice hearers is as variable as Winston Churchill, Socrates, Galileo, Pythagoras, Carl Jung, Gandhi, Joan of Arc, Teresa of Avila, Mohammed, William Blake, Zoe Wanamaker, St Francis of Assisi, Leonard Cohen and Sir Anthony Hopkins.

Voice hearing, as Coleman’s own story demonstrates, is often linked to unresolved personal trauma. In his case he was sexually abused by a Catholic priest when he was 10 years old.

“My explanation for voices is that I created them because I needed to deal with what was going on.”

Coleman’s voices didn’t actually arrive until he was adult. Prior to that he had a different coping mechanism – rugby. “I played as prop and when I went into the scrum I’d put the face of the Catholic priest who abused me on to my opposite number and I’d just try to kill the guy.”

Then he broke his hip and couldn’t play rugby anymore.

“I ended up not having the outlet, but still having the priest in me as a constant reminder of everything and no way to get rid of my anger. Eventually it came out as voices.”

One of the first voices he heard was the priest telling him it was his fault. “That I led him into sin and I should burn in hell”.

Another voice was his father. “I felt like I’d failed my family so I had my father’s voice saying things like: ‘You’re no good. You’re f***ing worthless. You’re a failure’.”

Then there was the voice of first wife Annabelle who died suddenly. “She used to tell me to kill myself so we could be a family again. It was more about the fact that I missed her so much.”

Negotiating a way to cope with his voices took a year. With Annabelle he realised he could be with her as a voice. “I said: ‘I don’t need to die to be with you. I can be with you now – let’s talk’.” He’s since remarried and now has agreement with Annabelle only to talk to her on anniversaries.

His father’s voice changed from negative to positive after his family finally learned what happened to him as a child through a 1995 BBC Horizon documentary, Hearing Voices. His father asked why he never told him about the abuse. Because, said Coleman, he didn’t think anyone would believe him.

“My dad said yes he would, and he would have killed the priest.”

Coleman says he still hears the priest’s voice from time to time when he’s overworked and tired. What does the priest say now? “But I still think it was your fault.”

Coleman takes it as a sign that he needs to take time out and go fishing. “As soon as I hear him I tell him to f-off. ‘I’m not going to listen to you. I don’t need you. You have no power any more’.”

Getting to that point – where he could refuse to hear the priest – required dealing with his own guilt and shame. “I can’t change the past, but I’ve resolved my feelings about my own abuse.”

Another voice Coleman calls teacher. “That was my own voice – a voice trying to keep a bit of sanity in my mind. It’s always a voice of reason. In a funny sort of way I was externalising my own self rather than having inner dialogues. I tend to externalise it now, because I’m so used to hearing voices.”

There are three other positive voices – one called Dave who was someone he knew who died, and two other he keeps to himself. “The reason I don’t talk about them is I share an awful lot of my life and those are voices just for me.”

As well as providing support for voice hearers, the Hearing Voices Network is also a human rights movement – to protest at the way those diagnosed with schizophrenia are treated and to reduce the stigma attached to mental illness. Coleman says he’d like to see professionals in mental health systems spend much more time listening to people before treating them.

“I would like acknowledgement when the treatment is not working that we do something different rather than give them other drugs or just increase the drugs.”

He wants proper informed consent too – people told about the reduced life expectancy downside of antipsychotic drugs before they are given them.

He believes that if there was a properly controlled test – comparing outcomes for voice hearers engaged with the network and those using the mental health system – the network would come out on top. “We’re saving lives.”

Coleman wears his diagnosis on his skin – a tattoo on his arm reads “Psychotic and Proud”. He did it to have a constant reminder of where he came from.

“It says I refuse to be ashamed about what happened to me. I refuse to be ashamed of my diagnosis and I refuse to be ashamed of the fact I was a psychiatric patient.”

Voice of reason

* The Hearing Voices Network, founded in Britain in 1988, developed from the research of Dutch psychiatrist Marius Romme.

* It has since grown into a global self-help organisation, active in 20 countries, for people who hear voices.

* Members advocate the use of techniques employed by those who have successfully coped with their voices. This can include acceptance and negotiation with the voices.
* Hearing Voices Network Aotearoa NZ has about 100 members and holds support groups in West Auckland, Grey Lynn, Glenfield, Hamilton, Palmerston North and Wellington.

* Approximately 75 per cent of patients diagnosed with schizophrenia, 20 per cent of patients with mania and 10 per cent with depression hear voices.

* About 30,000 New Zealanders are affected by schizophrenia.

Find out more on Hearing Voices Network Aotearoa NZ

www.hearingvoices.org.nz  part of international organisation Intervoice, www.intervoiceonline.org

Ron Coleman on Radio Live – The Nutters Club Sunday 29th May 8pm to 10pm

Ron Coleman from UK, one of the driving forces of Intervoice and The Hearing Voices Network UK, is arriving in New Zealand this week. He will be on Radio Live this Sunday Night with Mike King on the Nutters show.

You can tune in  Auckland on 100.6FM, and is at different numbers on the dial all over New Zealand. You can see where at the bottom of their website.

Here is the link to their website. You can listen live online here as well
 
I also noticed that they have a podcast of an  interview there also with Suzie Crook. called “blessed with Schizophrenia”. I havent listened to it yet.
But have heard her speak at a workshop once, and she was excellent.
 
Her first words in the interview are ” I have suffered from my mental health treatment, but I have never suffered from my schizophrenia,”
 

James King Exhibition- Paintings give an insight into a troubled mind

There is an excellent interview with James in the Weekend Herald today.
James King’s exhibition,  is Tapu Kehua, opening on Saturday 7 May at 3pm at The Depot Artspace, 28 Clarence Street, Devonport.
An emerging artist from Auckland, James has been attending Toi Ora Live Art Trust over the past few years.  This is his first major solo exhibition.
 
The exhibition will run until Thursday 19 May 2011.
 
Here is the article in the newspaper
 

Paintings give insight into troubled mind

By Sally Webster

 
10:15 AM Saturday May 14, 2011
 It was sad that as visitors pondered James King’s first major solo exhibition when it opened last weekend, the artist couldn’t be there.

While the former radio talkback host and producer waited months for the chance to fill Depot Artspace with his emotive paintings, he has waited a lot longer to get better. King has been plagued by mental illness for years and his recent secondment to Dunedin’s Ashburn Hall precluded his presence at the show.

So while he was busy working on his health, visitors to Devonport’s gallery were sipping wine and reading the emblazoned words: “The Anzacs died for your iPad.” Political commentary is strong in King’s work and he confronts his inner demons too, as depicted by dogs’ gnashed teeth in many colours. A propensity for softness comes through trickling lines that creep over clouded backgrounds of orange and aquamarine. Lashings of red play a pivotal role.

While some pieces were painted in Dunedin, most of the work was accomplished at Toi Ora Live Arts Trust in Grey Lynn. What was a haven that unveiled King’s artistic talent is officially “a unique shared creative space … for adults who have come in contact with mental health services”. Toi Ora general manager Erwin van Asbeck says it has been fascinating to watch King work.

“Together with his other areas of treatment, even just the discipline of coming and going at set times to a place to work on art has been a hugely healing and balancing process,” he says. “What’s been produced during James’ journey towards mental health is exceptional and it stands on its own two feet.”

On his last day of painting before heading south, King cut out the shapes of the Tapu Kehua for the exhibition. Absorbed with shaping the right curves of the “sacred ghost or spirit”, King offered his usual comic scepticism on the next few months in a “therapeutic community”.

“I might be back up within a week if I have to pass a hacky sack around the room as part of a group therapy practice. Seriously, I’ve encountered this once before and it was just too much.”

King, who was adopted, did not meet his birth mother until he was in his 20s. He says he always knew something was brewing inside him and certain things made more sense when he discovered his mother was schizophrenic. He was not fiercely beset by dark moods and voices until his radio career had taken off in his late 20s. Then-general manager of Newstalk ZB Bill Francis recalls meeting him as he started out.

“He came to me around the early 2000s and asked if I’d give him a chance on air. He clearly had a strong political leaning and could talk knowledgeably about it as well as a large range of social issues of the day. He showed empathy and could relate to a wide range of people.

“I saw him about once a week for more than three years and what was quite obvious was his considerable talent, rationale, curiosity and ability to think. What I also saw in him was a good person.”

But King began to develop difficulties with alcohol, sleeping and generally dealing with working at night. He left the company and moved to Wellington to do a journalism degree and produce more radio shows. But with personal issues including family bereavement to deal with, he was finally overwhelmed and hospitalised. There ensued a pattern common to many with mental illness who, like King, did not have a supportive family nearby at the end of a period of treatment in hospital. Without a place of further healing, the streets became home instead.

“You see the really ill people wandering the streets, picking cigarette butts from the ground. They’ve got dirt under their fingernails,” says King. “Mental illness at its worst can be people rifling through rubbish bins in the dead of night. It’s scary. I understand that. I don’t like those people … and I was one of them.”

King wanted to come out about his illness to make a concerted recovery and alter perceptions of the condition. Last year he worked on a Planet FM mental health radio show and during October’s Mental Health Week he held his first exhibition, MC’d a fundraising gig in Karangahape Rd and contributed these words to a poetry anthology:

This should not be my only option,

I will not live here; you must give me a room in the heart of life,

I will not survive under a bridge, at the dump, in a park,

at the margins in the dark.

I challenge you to come to me, to hold my hand, embrace my heart.

I challenge you to tell the truth, cast aside the angle, cut the hook, search for the marrow.

Exhibition

What: New Works by James King

Where and when: Depot Artspace, Devonport, to May 19 2011

Radio Interview with Eleanor Longden on Jon Ronson On

There is an excellent radio interview with Voice hearer Eleanor Longden on Ron Jonsons show.

Click on this link to hear it.

Eleanor goes into great detail of her own experiences hearing voices. Her personal account gives a great insight to what it is like.

Nicely put together with music and poetry as well.

Please note: The original Link I had posted, expired, I have now amended the above to show an active link t Ron Jonsons website that contains the interview. Thanks Rich! Here  it is again : http://www.saminnes.co.uk/Jon_Ronson_On_Voices_in_your_head.mp3

Annual General Meeting July 2nd 2.00 to 5.00pm

The Hearing Voices Network Aotearoa NZ has set the date for their Annual General Meeting:

Saturday July 2nd from 2 to 5pm
at “the Clubhouse” 393 Great North Rd Grey Lynn Auckland.

As we have the Ron Coleman workshops at the beginning of June, we have decided not to hold a workshop/ event for our AGM this year. Instead we will concentrate on Hearing Voices Day in September.

 We are always keen to have some help. At the AGM, we vote in the new committee.As always only members of our organisation are able to vote or become committee members. All members are welcome. It is an opportunity to discuss how the past year has gone and the direction we want to go forward for the upcoming year.  If you would like to become part of the committee please contact Adrienne 0272650266 for a nomination form

An Excerpt from the Life and Times of Patuone by C O Davis

I would like to share an excerpt from the above book. As it is well attested in many books and journals that the Maori people experienced and interacted with other worlds, heard voices of the deceased and other beings. Yet in the Colonisation of New Zealand, to have such experiences now is to be considered in some cases by others delusional, fantastical, and the signs of the unwell.

Yet the Maori who told of experiences were not unwell, but extremely intelligent, well spoken and articulated people.  Because another people do not have such experiences it does not mean that it is not possible, or that it is false. It means just that they do not have the same experience of the world.

Here is an excerpt

Patuones grandmother Ripia. had a child still born to whom was given the name Te Tuhi. He frequently troubled his parents and other members of the tribe, appearing to them sometimes in the form of an apparition, and sometimes transforming himself into a lizard. He came clothed with the marvellous influence which beings in the world of spirits are supposed to possess. His visitations caused great dismay, and may members of the tribe fell victim to his power. This appearance of Te Tuhi to the Tapua family created much uneasiness as did the strange appearance to the Wesley family as recorded by their biographers [ Every biographer of this family, says Dr Smith in his history of Wesleyan Methodism, “has mentioned the strange noises heard in the parsonage homes at Epworth.”] which some suggested was a message of Satan sent to buffet John Wesley’s father. Tapua in his priestly capacity, offered prayers, and various incantations and divinations were resorted to in the hope of laying the troublesome spirit. It is averred that Patuone was urged again and again by the restless spirit, to become the medium of communication between the beings of the two worlds, and though the  Modern spiritualists would doubtless have yielded with avidity to the solicitations of the persistent medium seeker, no amount of persuasion would induce Patuone to accept the honour,- if it be an honour,- of holding converse with departed spirits, and, in process of time Te Tuhi discontinued his troublesome propensity of visiting earthly friends.”

Ron Coleman workshops in Auckland and Wellington

HEARING VOICES NETWORK AOTEAROA NZ

Te Reo Orooro

Are hosting 1 day workshops  In Auckland and Wellington

ADVANCED “WORKING WITH VOICES”             with  Ron Coleman

WLG WORKSHOP WILL RAISE MONEY FOR CHRISTCHURCH EARTHQUAKE.

Hearing voices is one of the most common experiences that people diagnosed with a psychotic illness have and research has shown that many people continue to hear voices even after prolonged use of medication. This has meant that many voice hearers do not get relief from their experiences. The consequence of this is that many people live lives that are low in quality and high in distress. Many professionals are left frustrated when medication does not deliver the desired results.

Ron Coleman has been active in the field of mental health since 1991, when affecting his own recovery from mental illness, he used his experiences to develop his ideas for recovery centered treatment of others. Since then he has went on to write numerous books and papers on the subject and was influential in the development of the Hearing Voices Network in the UK. Ron and his partner Karen travel around the world delivering trainings in this field through their company ‘Working To Recovery”. http://workingtorecovery.co.uk  RON IS DONATING HIS TIME FOR THE WELLINGTON WORKSHOP TO RAISE FUNDS FOR THOSE EFFECTED BY THE CHRISTCHURCH EARTHQUAKE. ALL PROFITS FROM WELLINGTON WWORKSHOP WILL BE DONATED TO THE RED CROSS EARTHQUAKE FUND.

This one-day course is for people who have either been on the “Working with voices intro” day or have gained experience of working with voices either personally or in the workplace.

Throughout the day this course will

  • Support you in developing effective ways of working with voice hearers using short, medium and long term strategies
  • Enable you to use the above strategies to support voice hearers in taking control of their experience and more importantly getting on with their life.
  • Give you an introduction to the Maastricht interview schedule
  • Enable you to use the ‘Working with Voices Workbook’

 

When: 9.00am to 3.30 Pm

Auckland Wednesday  1st June 2011

Wellington: 9.30 to 4pm  Friday 3rd June 2011

Where:

Auckland: Western Springs Garden Community Hall, 956 Great North Rd, Western Springs Auckland

WELLINGTON : Film Archive Center Cnr Taranaki and Ghuznee St Wellington.

Cost: $120 for waged-We would like to encourage support people to bring a voice hearer with them. And offer a discount of for this i.e $100 instead of $140 for both people.    $20 for unwaged voice hearers . n.b Morning and afternoon tea provided. Participants to provide their own lunch.     We are a registered charity. These fees will help support our work.

Bookings: Call Lize   021 049 0887 (wellington) or Adrienne  (Auckland) at 0272650266 for more details or email: info@hearingvoices.org.nz  for a registration form. Please note spaces are limited. If you want to come you will need to book asap. 

Hearing Voices and Visions by Lewis Mehl-Madrona.

I found this excellent article on hearing voices and visions on the internet. Written by Lewis Mehl Madrona he reminds us all that hearing voices was not always considered universally as mental illness and was sometimes dealt eith more efficiently by healers than the medication now used.

See the full article here on the Futurehealth website 

He has his own website here www.mehl-madrona.com

Here is an extract.

In our contemporary world of North America, hearing voices is the only “symptom” that immediately and single-handedly qualifies one for the DSM (Diagnostical and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association) diagnosis of psychosis.   We could qualify this as more correctly referring to the acknowledgement of hearing voices to a professional empowered by the State to make diagnoses in a context in which diagnosing occurs.   Thus, Moses could not have been psychotic, for no psychologists or relevant State laws existed to diagnose him.   A famous quote says, “When we talk to God, it’s called prayer; when God talks to us, it’s called hallucinations.”

Throughout recorded history, people have seen visions and have heard the voices of Angels, Gods, or others.   Only recently have these experiences (or the reporting of them) become pathological.   With the emergency of modern science and the ascendency of materialism, anything smacking of spirits or of the supernatural is suspicious or pathological. In Arizona, a recent archbishop for the Roman Catholic Church definitively declared that the Virgin Mary is no longer seen.   Hundreds of Mexicans didn’t read enough English to disagree with him.   Divine communication and contact was sought, cultivated, and treasured until very recently, and is still desired within many indigenous communities.

However, today, many people live on the shadow side of hearing voices and having visions.   These people constantly hear berating, deprecatory voices, who won’t leave them alone.   These people suffer tremendously.   They become unable to function, so much so that relatives or well-meaning friends take them to the emergency department or to the mental health center for help.   In another time and place, a traditional healer might be asked to cast out a demon or remove a curse or retrieve the soul that has wandered away, causing the soul to be stuck in spirit world and the body to express its urgent cries for help.   Today, the contemporary interpretation centers around people with defective brains that need medication.

In his book, Crazy Like Us: The Americanization of Mental Health,” Ethan Watters writes about the damage to people in Zimbabwe when hearing voices and having visions became medicalized.   Prior to that, people were taken to healers who had a consistent explanatory story about spirit contact.   Participation of all parties in this story and its prescriptions for enactment often resulted in resolution of the problem, with greater honor coming to the hearer of voices and the deliverer of visions.   With the replacement of this idea by the defective brain story, the quality of people’s lives deteriorated and recovery became much less possible.   The traditional Zimbabwean explanations included the possibility of recovery and wellness.   They also included dignity and respect for the person brought to the healer.   The new biomedical stories did not include recovery from defective brain conditions; nor did they fail to stigmatize those whom they described.   People were not better off following the Americanization of mind and mental health in Zimbabwe.

The voices that my diagnosed clients hear are not kind, for the most part.   They are not uplifting or transformative.   They convey no positive messages.   What do they say?   One client related some of the continual litany chanted by her voices:

“You’re going to hell.”

“I’m not going to stop tormenting you until you’re a corpse.”

“You’re fat and ugly.”

“You should kill yourself so you can stop taking up space.”

“You don’t even deserve the air that you breathe.”

“Why don’t you just hold your breath until you die.”

The list goes on and on.   Her voices were always female (Later, over weeks, we would discover that they were the voices of her female relatives which she had internalized.)

What differentiates my “patient” population from the rest of us who hear voices?   Is it the uniform inclusion of negative, mean, unkind voices?   The exception to this occurs with people who are diagnosed as manic, some of whom only hear joyful, celebratory, elated voices.   That would be fine, except that they often lose judgment about how to report their elation and what to do about.   A well known movie shows a man in a state of elation, going to a symphony concern, and getting up onto the stage to take over conducting, because he was guided to do so to produce more spiritual music.   Admirable, but not condoned.

I suspect that the people who are diagnosed begin with the gift to tune into other dimensions and to be extra sensitive to other states of consciousness, but that trauma causes their reception to get stuck on the negative.   One of my clients hears the voices of racism.   These voices are social stories that she has internalized due to her great sensitivity, but it would be better for her if she were to leave combating racism to those who are stronger than she is. The stories overburden her and cause her to collapse.   She ends up believing that everyone is making negative, racist comments about her, which is actually not happening, at least as far as I can determine.   Nevertheless, if we bracket for the moment the materialist paradigm in which their voices are the product of deranged brains, we arrive upon some very interesting ontological questions about the dimensions from which these voices arrive and the ontological status of the beings behind these voices.   These questions become practical when we begin the work of reducing the influence of the voices upon people or the suffering that they experience from these voices.

Elders have told me that the suffering of modern people from voices and visions exist because modern people have lost the stories needed to manage such experiences.   Two Huichol elders told me they would not give a modern person peyote for at least a year and only after that person had learned all the stories and songs deemed necessary by the elders to manage the visions that might be offered by the Spirit of Peyote.

Stories work that way.   They tell us how to interpret experience.   Without such stories, we could be overcome by the power and intensity of the peyote experience.   Then we could really get into trouble if we fell back into our own American cultural stories of heaven and hell, angels and demons, and we might either require extensive babysitting until we came out of it, or we might get noticed by the authorities and taken to hospital or jail.

So we need stories about how to manage voices and visions in order to manage them.   These stories create a normalizing context for voices and visions within which their messages and meanings can be interpreted and understood.  

Telling people that their voices are not real is not a good story.   It doesn’t work.   Patients tell me over and over how very real the voices are -” as clear as mine.   They don’t accept the story that their voices are hallucinations.   They sound too real, too genuine.   While we can speculate about the realms from which these voices originate, the key concept in helping people to manage voices is the understanding that, wherever these voices originate, they have no physical power in ordinary reality.   They can’t kill you.   They can’t harm you.   They can’t harm anyone else.   They actually can’t do anything at all.   Their only power is to convince you to do harmful things to yourself or others. They are like the Lakota Iktomi character who is the evil spirit of that culture, and who has no direct power to intervene in human affairs, only the power of trickery and flattery.   Voices are like that, and this realization is of major importance in helping people to reduce the suffering related to their voices.   It’s easier to ignore negative voices once we know that they don’t actually have any power in this dimension, no matter how real they sound.

Another group of clients, however, acknowledge a tonal difference between my voice and their voices, a qualitative difference.     They know the difference between the voices of ordinary reality and these other voices.   They may still suffer enormously from these other voices, but can distinguish them as different.   In some ways, they are easier to help.   The awareness of difference can more quickly lead to the awareness of the impotence of the voices.

In some respects, I do envy the position of my clients as being more solidly in other realities than our consensual one.   I have to work much harder to hear voices.   I have to use mindfulness meditation techniques to empty my mind so that I can detect others in the stillness.   I have to work at turning off my own chatter.   I usually feel   moderately confident that I hear the voice of an “Other” when what the voice says is startling or novel, something unexpected that I hadn’t previously considered.   Another clue to the presence of an “Other” for me is when I have deep physiological responses to the voice -” a sense of deep inner peace, a sense of compassionate wisdom, a deep feeling of relaxation.   Unfortunately, my patients don’t have these marvelous feelings or wise communications.   Most of their voices are negative and only productive of suffering.   Their voices are intrusive.

Like everyone, I have what could be called intrusive thoughts at times.   Standing on a balcony, I have had the thought to jump.   Who hasn’t?   Unlike my clients, however, I have techniques to stop these thoughts and to turn my awareness elsewhere.   The balcony is an interesting example.   I suspect we have these thoughts because we can fly in our dreams.   We can jump off tall buildings and survive.   Part of being “sane” is being able to maintain an awareness of which coordinate system currently constrains us and to act accordingly.   I know better than to jump off a building when I’m awake (and I know when I’m awake and when I’m not).   I have a client who didn’t have this awareness and who fell five stories.   Luckily he survived, but not without some permanent disability.   People who get diagnosed with schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders have minimally good means of managing intrusive thoughts or intrusive voices.   They have to learn, and rarely does anyone want to teach them.   The conventional biomedical position is that medications will solve this, but, rarely does this happen.   Patients continue to suffer from their voices but learn to tell their doctors that they’re fine lest the dosages be raised high enough to turn them into zombies.

There is more of this excellent article on the website

Our website is down.

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Thank you for your patience.

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